WHY HAVE THE PAYOUTS CHANGED

Kudos to bunnie..

Yes roy you are correct some games are faster than others. So What. I can only attest to the games that I personally have played. Although unlike you i didn't think to actually time the games so my times were not precise (sorry about that) but if your game of 10 players took 51 minutes to reach 5th place then well I'm right in the ballpark and you have confirmed what I was saying so just what is your point??

As far as the mayhem goes they are normally a faster game anyway. What with the erratic blinds so thats nothing new.

At any rate I was just stating an opinion on games I had played and not looking to get into a ....... match with you on the time it takes you or myself to play a game. Have a Great Evening.

SNAFU......

Sharron123 wrote:

roy0110 wrote:

SNAFU wrote:

Well roy it is obvious you and I have not been in the same games. The games I haven been in had 13 & 15 people playing and IT does take that long most times to get down to the 5 pay spots and if you read some of the other post you will find the same. I bet the games you have been in have only had maybe 7 players registered. That does make quite a difference. Also when there are only 5 paid spots people tend to play a lot tighter making the game slower. Thank You.....

SNAFU......


GOOD POST BUNNIE I have been here since Aug 06 and also have seen things change and the 5 payout spot has never worked.

yes we have been playing in different games.
just played in the mayhem game, 14 entries, finished in under 40 mins
freeroll that started at the same time 1(pm) 10 entries, 5th place was reached in 51 mins.
just two examples.

So what ......Roy  I thought this thread was about payouts...or is it about how long a game takes...cos you can produce all the stats if you want......hell if you want a simple solution to how long a game takes ...just make the times between the changes in the blinds shorter and the games will of course be quicker  --but that maybe too easy....point is Roy   you are not listening to what people are saying here in this thread...from what I see the majority are saying don't change...or do you simply just want to ignore that fact

Sharron.
yes the thread is about payouts, i have commented on that topic earlier in the thread.
subsequent posters have brought up the subject of time and how it's not worth it to sit there for an hour or more for no chips.
i was pointing out to them that the games aren't taking any longer and x amount of chips can be made in the same amount or less time.
i am not the one changing the direction of the thread so please don't imply that i am.
so yes i am listening, and many may not want change, myself i like the change, and surely i'm entitled to express that like other people are expressing their opinions?
the majority (posting) may not want change but what has that to do with me?
what does it matter if i ignore or not?.... i haven't changed the payouts or how many players a game starts with.
i haven't asked for any changes and couldn't care if things had been left how they were in the first place.

most of your post should be directed towards mufasa, not me.
he made the changes, i didn't....or do YOU simply just want to ignore that fact?

why make changes in middle of round

nysnowbunnie wrote:

why make changes in middle of round

i have no idea, but conversely.....
why not?

Then open a poll so the fatcat community can vote this once again and see what can or will be done on payouts...

We need the Tlu bk and vote, its just not fair, we have rules and 1 is being broken, like 30 day rule, u get a penalty. no one 2 join no merge to mess with round scores.

But yet this can be done, when WE THE MEMBERS have voted on and was set in motion!!
no notice, middle of round, just unfair

Wow,again well said bunnie.....Your right i agree...

Looks to me like the round is being manipulated...Rule broken..Sad

mufasa wrote:

DB has put me in charge He is wanting to know who what why how and when and to be honest he should be involved anyways he wants to continue with most of the new changes re: mods, SnG mods
ive checked out a few areas of the forums i have access to and agree that some of the changes are good and can continue, As for members who are currently banned we need to have a long chat with them and clear up some issues thats led to the ban, once sorted we will decide then.

I agree with ADMIN on this the DRAMA stops. so any one who starts will be banned for good. this was from DB and i am to enforce.

mufasa wrote:

Just had a good discussion with DB and he PLANS on updating what he is able on the site making a few changes and has a few good ideas so with that the site is NO LONGER FOR SALE and WILL NOT CLOSE,

and from earlier in this thread......

mufasa wrote:

I have seen the past weeks games and im seeing several games where they have 9 players playing 23 for big games and for the special games 35 now the numbers used to be higher than this back in december last year through march and the numbers fell since then not saying its because of summer or anything else its just we do not have the players like we had and till the numbers get higher in the registration of the games im forced to adjust as needed to keep the games playing without 1 to 2 hrs wait for a game to start

he is well aware of this thread (as he has posted in it)
but anyone can contact him directly with their concerns/requests
support@pokerfatcat.net

BigC wrote:

Wow,again well said bunnie.....Your right i agree...

Looks to me like the round is being manipulated...Rule broken..Sad

how have these payout changes manipulated round scores?

and can anyone tell me what difference it makes by being mid-round?

they way i see it, the changes are a good thing or a bad thing for just about all players & teams.
what players or teams are benefitting from the change?

BigC wrote:

Wow,again well said bunnie.....Your right i agree...

Looks to me like the round is being manipulated...Rule broken..Sad

how have these payout changes manipulated round scores?

and can anyone tell me what difference it makes by being mid-round?

they way i see it, the changes are a good thing or a bad thing for just about all players & teams.
what players or teams are benefitting from the change?

Take a visual look at the posts in disagreement......

This was voted on and now yes by the vote being passed to keep the payouts as was..To me that is a rule broken and yes it can manipulate a round...

This thread has went on and standing now at 5 pages...Seems to me that says volumes..

the point is, rule been broken and we got no notice, tell me what happen 2 WE HERE FOR OUR MEMBERS and members are not happy

1/ what rule is broken?
2/ HOW is the round being manipulated?
3/ what's wrong with mid-round

you have replied but given no answers.

nysnowbunnie wrote:

the point is, rule been broken and he got no notice, tell me what happen 2 WE HERE FOR OUR MEMBERS and members are not happy

bunnie,
are you directing these questions at me?
i have been replying with the best of my knowledge or opinions anyway just in case.
a few people won't believe a word i say anyway and thats why i keep stressing mufasa has made the changes, and i have posted his email for anyone to get direct answers to questions or complain if need be.
support@pokerfatcat.net

Mufasa may have made the changes     HOWEVER  he made them at the request of   somone/ some people....

Those  requests  came  from people that like the changes... of that there can be  no  doubt, however  almost every post  from everyone here is in total disagreement  with the changes... they  want them changed back....  except   maybe  1 person...

 No drama  at all  in this post  just  reading back through the thread  and  all seem  to  dislike the changes  but one...  Does the majority  not  count  for anything or is this no longer a democracy where the players run the show ???

Roy, then leave all our posts alone and let mufasa see it all

CoachesCorner wrote:

Mufasa may have made the changes     HOWEVER  he made them at the request of   somone/ some people....

Those  requests  came  from people that like the changes... of that there can be  no  doubt, however  almost every post  from everyone here is in total disagreement  with the changes... they  want them changed back....  except   maybe  1 person...

 No drama  at all  in this post  just  reading back through the thread  and  all seem  to  dislike the changes  but one...  Does the majority  not  count  for anything  or is this no longer a  democracy  where the players  run the show ???

no drama from me either, but you are implying that i have had something to do with the changes.
i have said on numerous occasions that i am no part of it.
you and others keep making assumptions and writing it, that i am complicit with any poker game changes, that is putting me in a very bad light here and people are saying nasty and untrue things about me, so i'm asking politely that you and anyone else stop doing that or i'll consider it harassment.
as for your question,

Quote :

Does the majority  not  count  for anything  or is this no longer a  democracy  where the players  run the show ???

once again i do not know the answer, read the quotes i posted by mufasa, i get the impression HE is in sole charge, HE and DOUGHBOY are making any changes.
i could be wrong on that, thats just my guess......like everyone else is guessing

I never    said  you  done anything.....  just said i re  read the thread  and    almost everyone is  against the changes...


 I am sure mufasa  made these  changes   at   someone or  some peoples  request...... that is all i said..... if people assume its  you they didnt get any names  from me...  i was  just  stating observations  from re reading the posts in the thread is all.. if anyone is threatening here  it  seems  to be  you with the harassment ultimatum????

 dont be  so thin skinned...I am just adding to the relevant topic/ discussion arent i?

nysnowbunnie wrote:

Roy, then leave all our posts alone and let mufasa see it all

bunnie all posts have been left in this thread, i want mufasa to see it all.
of course i will have to delete the very severest abuse/bad language and such to protect those that don't wish to see it.
but i'm hoping as you are that mufasa see's it all and replies.

CoachesCorner wrote:

I never    said  you  done anything.....  just said i re  read the thread  and    almost everyone is  against the changes...


 I am sure mufasa  made these  changes   at   someone or  some peoples  request...... that is all i said..... if people assume its  you they didnt get any names  from me...  i was  just  stating observations  from re reading the posts in the thread is all.. if anyone is threatening here  it  seems  to be  you with the harassment ultimatum????

 dont be  so thin skinned...I am just adding to the   relevant topic/ discussion  arent i?

no, that is not all you said.
you also said,

Quote :

Those requests came from people that like the changes... of that there can be no doubt, however almost every post from everyone here is in total disagreement with the changes... they want them changed back.... except maybe 1 person...

as you have read back through this thread you know very well that i am the only person to post in favour of the changes and so your post is plainly implying that i have something to do with the implemented changes.
you don't have to name names, you clearly have pointed out mufasa made the changes at someone's request and by your reasoning of there being only one supporter (me) no names need to be mentioned.
nice try CC, but if i can see through your smoke...anyone can.

you're adding to the topic but a little way off it.
how about giving an opinion on what rule has been broken by the payout changes?
what difference does it make if it's mid-round?
how is it manipulating round scores?

these are questions/concerns other members have brought up, any thoughts to help?

I don't intend for this post to be personally critical of any individual who has expressed an opinion.  My only goal is to express my own thoughts.

I don't see the payout change as an attempt to manipulate scores in any manner.  What I glean from the views expressed, however, is that once a round begins, players expect the rules to remain consistent throughout the entire round.  Changing the payouts is contrary to that expectation.

Also, it seems clear that a poll of the players would be the best means of gauging the consensus on whether these changes are welcomed by the majority of the FatCat community.  And this should be done prior to implementing such a change.

Peace all.

Oh, and lovebug - don't leave. You make the site a better place.

roy0110 wrote:

CoachesCorner wrote:

I never    said  you  done anything.....  just said i re  read the thread  and    almost everyone is  against the changes...


 I am sure mufasa  made these  changes   at   someone or  some peoples  request...... that is all i said..... if people assume its  you they didnt get any names  from me...  i was  just  stating observations  from re reading the posts in the thread is all.. if anyone is threatening here  it  seems  to be  you with the harassment ultimatum????

 dont be  so thin skinned...I am just adding to the   relevant topic/ discussion  arent i?

no, that is not all you said.
you also said,

Quote :

Those  requests  came  from people that like the changes... of that there can be  no  doubt, however  almost every post  from everyone here is in total disagreement  with the changes... they  want them changed back....  except   maybe  1 person...

as you have read back through this thread you know very well that i am the only person to post in favour of the changes and so your post is plainly implying that i have something to do with the implemented changes.
you don't have to name names, you clearly have pointed out mufasa made the changes at someone's request and by your reasoning of there being only one supporter (me) no names need to be mentioned.
nice try CC, but if i can see through your smoke...anyone can.

you're adding to the topic but a little way off it.
how about giving an opinion on what rule has been broken by the payout changes?
what difference does it make if it's mid-round?
how is it manipulating round scores?

these are questions/concerns other members have brought up, any thoughts to help?

1 person did seem to like the changes that is nothing other than a fact... are facts not allowed to be posted????

If i wanted to discredit you as you seem adamant about implying trust me i would use names however i did not use your name any more than i used any other person in the threads name....

I simply stated facts pertaining to the thread plain and simple.... the one thing I implied was that someone or some people contacted mufasa to make these changes.... i do not know their names or trust me i would have posted them...

Roy you are trying way to hard, you are saying i done things that i didnt do in your attempt to ban me... that also is harassment isnt it??? Lets just stick to the facts like i was trying to do before you ASS U ME d otherwise

wow CC,
lets keep it simple,
do YOU think i have requested these payout changes?
a straight yes or no answer please.
you might think it doesn't matter or be reluctant to answer, but what you think and do at fatcat and these forums has been very influential over the years.
i'm sure anyone watching this thread would be keen to hear a plain yes or no to my question.
do you think i requested the changes?