WHY HAVE THE PAYOUTS CHANGED

well i'm sorry if poker chips mean so much to (some of) you that you want paying for the simple act of registering.
it's a game of poker, you are expected to achieve something by playing and earning the right to a payout place.

i play for the love of the game, i want to beat everyone in the tourney to gain chips, simply reaching the final table or minor places isn't a great achievement in my book.

i'll donate chips to people who take part in the game and not make the payout places if they are so desperate for chips, IF admin would allow it.

it really does seem to me that a lot of people are more interested in collecting chips than actually enjoying the competition and playing the game.
and if people do leave because they don't get chips handed to them on a plate i hope they find another poker site that offers that.

No roy it fun lots players lucky to get paid down to 10 place what you want more players quiting over play chips get real.
And this not LAS VEGAS this not real money.
Like I said we the players vote for this ok.



post edited to remove personal remarks, please refrain from getting personal.
Admin

The early morning games were set up for those overseas players that are in a different time zone (primarily UK and AU), so they could participate in the games and would essentially have games going on during the same hours for them that we play here in the U.S.  What is in the middle of the night here in the U.S. is actually prime time for them.  Some of those late games also work for anyone that lives in the PST zone on the west coast and for some of the insomniacs that are up in the middle of the night that play on this site.

That less people are playing here and that many of those that have left the site are international players is a shame.  I agree that taking away payouts and having less games in the middle of the night is certainly not going to bring any of those people back or any new European or Australian players like the site used to have.  I think the games are too slow and that discourages people from actually sitting through them.  I thought they sped up the games for awhile, but I gather that is not the case, as they are as slow as they have ever been.  It is a Catch 22 with the sitters and how many hands they get to miss before they get booted from a game.  I've been here for a long time and like snow I can remember when people were spoken to about sitting and then would be booted from the game.  That was then and this is now and there is no longer a live support desk with FC players working for free to help other players and to help monitor the regular and league games.  No one is playing at the ring tables anymore and there are no league games.  We haven't had that here since Snuggles and Bonza left the site and a lot has changed since then.  I am sure there are some that legitimately have to sit out due to an emergency, but otherwise there are definitely players that sign up and use it is a free chip strategy including some of those calling others out for it.  So what!

As far as the chips are concerned, we are talking free chips here and not Bitcoin, USD, EUR or GBP.  I think anyone that has played well in the games and worked hard to win chips should be proud of their success and their commitment to this site and their team.  What I do not get, however, is why people hold on to these chips so tightly after a round ends.  All they are is a reminder of how many hours of your life you have wasted sitting at your PC playing poker and you should be glad to donate them to your team or to FC to sponsor some really cool celebratory or memorial games.  That is solely my opinion, as I know there are players on this site that still have the very first chip they've ever won.  I guess if they don't mind being reminded of how much time they have spent playing and prefer to hug those chips for all eternity to each his own.

Mufasa is only one person and I know he is trying to do what he thinks is right and fair for everyone.  The question still remains as to whether reducing the payouts will drive more players away from the site and will less payouts actually help to attract any new players to this site.  At the end of the day, they really are only free chips and these are just online poker games and we are not talking about world peace or solving world hunger.  If a few extra chips bite the dust here and there and go to a few that don't deserve them that won't be anything new.  Lots of things go to people that don't deserve them even if only temporarily.

Now that's just my humble opinion....Good luck at the tables....

QB

roy0110 wrote:

well i'm sorry if poker chips mean so much to (some of) you that you want paying for the simple act of registering.
it's a game of poker, you are expected to achieve something by playing and earning the right to a payout place.

i play for the love of the game, i want to beat everyone in the tourney to gain chips, simply reaching the final table or minor places isn't a great achievement in my book.

i'll donate chips to people who take part in the game and not make the payout places if they are so desperate for chips, IF admin would allow it.

it really does seem to me that a lot of people are more interested in collecting chips than actually enjoying the competition and playing the game.
and if people do leave because they don't get chips handed to them on a plate i hope they find another poker site that offers that.

 People just want recognition....  I am not  sure   its the games that   only get  10 people and pay  5   that is drawing peoples  ire....  Its the games  with  15-30  that pay    top  5... as people have said  the   site  voted   to restore   it to  top  10/15 payouts  the last time this was  tried..who the hell are  you or  anyone else  to think  your  wishes are  more  important than the  members  voted  decision???


And  dont give me   any crap  that  you didnt decide  because  you  were  not in the TLU at the  time.. that was  your personal decision so if  you  dont like the way the majority  voted  complain to the man in the mirror...

 Also the fact that games  will not start  till 10 register is  BS  no matter  what  kind of  spin  you put on it... with the   top  5 paying out rule in place  why also have this????   If it pays  top  5   start the damn game.... be it  5   6 or  7  who the hell   truly cares why make people wait for 10???? 

 I have not been playing much lately  due  to  personal issues  but i will be damned if i  would  sit  for hours  wasting my  time   , monitoring  the lobby to see when the  damn game starts.....perhaps  your  time is not that important  but mine  truly is....

 If   you are so concerned about people getting free  chips  cancel the goddamn  game   if  10  dont register   by the start  time,  that way people have  closure  they   dont  waste their  time waiting..... and they  dont get chastised  and possibly punished  for  sitting and  collecting free  chips because the game started   and they didnt know....that to me is a much better option than leaving  5  6  7   8    or  whatever  people in limbo  because   you and  some others    have decided  for  everyone that   the  chips  need   to be  earned  more than they are  now  so we  should all sit tight and  wait  for hours

Its  not  rocket science..  lets not make it  rocket science....  why    pizz   people off over  something so  goddamn trivial......

Since  you are  now the  sole  judge and  jury over  what stays and  what goes in these  forums  ( and that is  so  wrong that one person has that power  its unbelieveable   so  dont get me started on that) and  you     are very narrow minded i fully expect this post to be  deleted  because i disagreed  with god  roys  post

Thank  god  rush has  started their own personal  forums  where we can speak  openly  without the censorship of a  jury of  1 it seems power has  went  to  your head.... and  since  you now   "CONTROL"  what stays and  goes in this  forum     i am sure    this  will be gone and perhaps  my posting privledges  also for having the  audacity  to disagree  with  God  Roy

You sir are a hypocrite of the highest level...you still have  your thread  where  you  mock and  harass  players  for their  chosen playing style...  .

 https://fcforum.forumotion.net/t9886-sigh              ..................................................  I suggest anyone that thinks  roy is impartial and never posts  anything derogatory   towards  people    should  go read   this thread  it may open  your eyes  towards  st  roy


 howver  you  now   get  to chose  what stays and  what  goes   when anyone posts  regarding another player.... or if its a post  you dont like..HOW THE HELL  DO YOU THINK THOSE THAT  YOU MOCKED  FEEL  DESPITE   YOUR  WITTY ATTEMPTS AT CHANGING THEIR NAMES THEY  KNOW  WHO THEY ARE...... DO  YOU NOT  THINK THAT THEY FEEL  YOUR POSTS  SHOULD BE DELETED?????  BUT     NO   YOU HAVE  CHOSEN TO LEAVE  YOU PAST HISTORY OF  ABUSIVE POSTS THERE FOR ALL TO READ.....  YOU THINK THEY ARE WITTY   BUT THOSE INVOLVED THINK THEY ARE HARRASSING AND  ABUSIVE I AM SURE

 WHO THE    H....  died and  made  you the poker  god of fatcat????   a  little power  seems to make the small feel  big...and  you  yourself have  created  your fair  share of drama  and  continue  to  do so in your facist   censorship of  anything  you personally disagree  with.

On the tables   you rapped off  at me  a  while back i responded  in like and  we have not talked  since...  I am tottally ok with that because i liked  the  roy   pre  power  and i do not like  the   one  now...if  you   are man enough and  want to debate   this   you know  where i am....  but  dont be all girlie and post  any messages  you get that  you  dont like.... because i am sure  you wont like them...

Unless this  forum is moderated in fair manner   by   more than one person i  strongly urge  all teams  to start their own forums anywhere they see  fIt  because here in these  forums  unless   you post what  roy wants  when he wants it will be deleted.. Then  we can leave  King Roy here  to be king over an  empty domain .
Thats  not  creating drama  just  some sage advice  to all members  to avoid   an  over  zealous  ego  of a power mad sole  moderator

I agreed cc I posted the truth it was remove. Everyone know the two that keep doing what ever they want
to. I been playing here for years always fun site but the last year this site went to hell .
Not calling out no names but anyone can open there eyes and see.
They banned friend that been playing here maybe longer then me.
Why because there good card player if they beat some one they get mail calling them stupid or worse.
Bigc family was talk about like a dog that bs bs bs and more bs. I bet not come to ky say to bigc face
why he not a man .

Queenbee wrote:

The early morning games were set up for those overseas players that are in a different time zone (primarily UK and AU), so they could participate in the games and would essentially have games going on during the same hours for them that we play here in the U.S.  What is in the middle of the night here in the U.S. is actually prime time for them.  Some of those late games also work for anyone that lives in the PST zone on the west coast and for some of the insomniacs that are up in the middle of the night that play on this site.

That less people are playing here and that many of those that have left the site are international players is a shame.  I agree that taking away payouts and having less games in the middle of the night is certainly not going to bring any of those people back or any new European or Australian players like the site used to have.  I think the games are too slow and that discourages people from actually sitting through them.  I thought they sped up the games for awhile, but I gather that is not the case, as they are as slow as they have ever been.  It is a Catch 22 with the sitters and how many hands they get to miss before they get booted from a game.  I've been here for a long time and like snow I can remember when people were spoken to about sitting and then would be booted from the game.  That was then and this is now and there is no longer a live support desk with FC players working for free to help other players and to help monitor the regular and league games.  No one is playing at the ring tables anymore and there are no league games.  We haven't had that here since Snuggles and Bonza left the site and a lot has changed since then.  I am sure there are some that legitimately have to sit out due to an emergency, but otherwise there are definitely players that sign up and use it is a free chip strategy including some of those calling others out for it.  So what!

As far as the chips are concerned, we are talking free chips here and not Bitcoin, USD, EUR or GBP.  I think anyone that has played well in the games and worked hard to win chips should be proud of their success and their commitment to this site and their team.  What I do not get, however, is why people hold on to these chips so tightly after a round ends.  All they are is a reminder of how many hours of your life you have wasted sitting at your PC playing poker and you should be glad to donate them to your team or to FC to sponsor some really cool celebratory or memorial games.  That is solely my opinion, as I know there are players on this site that still have the very first chip they've ever won.  I guess if they don't mind being reminded of how much time they have spent playing and prefer to hug those chips for all eternity to each his own.

Mufasa is only one person and I know he is trying to do what he thinks is right and fair for everyone.  The question still remains as to whether reducing the payouts will drive more players away from the site and will less payouts actually help to attract any new players to this site.  At the end of the day, they really are only free chips and these are just online poker games and we are not talking about world peace or solving world hunger.  If a few extra chips bite the dust here and there and go to a few that don't deserve them that won't be anything new.  Lots of things go to people that don't deserve them even if only temporarily.

Now that's just my humble opinion....Good luck at the tables....

QB

......would also like to ask that if any changes are made in the future.....that it doesn't happen mid round as it is totally unfair to all teams

I agree Sharron, very valid good point...

thread left open for now, to allow other members to comment on what poker admin (mufasa) has done with the payouts.
i'll also leave CC's comments viewable despite him taking the opportunity to launch on attack at me for daring to post my thoughts on the payout changes that i had nothing to do with.

any further posts should be made on the subject of payout changes only.

I noticed that all games this morning only paid the top 5 players. Sure wish they would quite changing the payouts for games. What is the harm of paying top 10, in every game. I know that the reason stated is due to not getting enough players to start some games. After all it is free chips and even the sitters may get 200 for sitting out, however what is the great harm.
Seems to me that since we had a new admin join us there has been a constant changing going on in payouts. I even thought it was voted on to leave the games alone, however they keep changing.
As for the am games not getting enough, maybe they would if they would quit messing around with the payouts.
I enjoy playing poker early in mornings due to being up early each day. I do play some of the afternoon games also, and still seems to be more of a determent to play here anymore. I will try to stay as have been member since the beginning of fatcat.

That is why more will not play them now..I sat and played last night and most every game up till 3 am had at least 9 and 10....
The one's i see that usually play nvr showed up and why show up to play an hour or more only to be knocked out in 6th and make no chips..

They used to have alot more but messing with the payout's is what steer's alot away in thinking why play..
The attendance has dropped big time and it's not just because the payouts...PPL have been banned,suspended,and plain out don't care to play with them like this so now it will be the same ppl that play that time of day..
It's a good thing for the Aussies,Euro's,but not good for those in the America's..That is USA & Canada..

Fatcatter's have voted on this and this time the change was done without a vote!!!

Start a poll what will be will be...Let the ppl decide...

JMO
Thank BigC

All the games I usually play always payed 10 spots now they only pay 5 and like a lot of other people I'm just not going to waste my time playing for an hour or more and not get anything out of it. So I will play less now than before. Mufasa said the freerolls would be reverted back but did not say when so I'll just wait. In the mean time I do hope others don't just give up and quit all together. I'm sure some most probably will.

SNAFU.......

i'm sure most will probably stay.
i have played quite a few of these low turnout, 5 places paid games and usually achieving 5th place takes 30 mins or less.

in higher attended games i have played for an hour or more to make it into 10th position and get something like 200 chips, but with only top 5 places paid one can easily achieve 5th place in less time & make more chips because the payouts are higher due to the pot being split between 5 places and not 10/15

top 5 paid places is also a great opportunity for teams to excel, say there are only 10 entries and 5 of them are from the same team, they can teamplay and 'rule' the table and probably fill or dominate the 5 paid places.
fatcat is a team orientated site so i thought something like this would be welcomed?

First off It's mid round why change now? And further more I just don't think its right to change at all when its been voted on, I have been a member since jan. 05, i have seen it all, But this site has change so much, dont know if its power trips or what, But i dont like it no more, no fun at all.
It's ashame when ppl been here so long and its logo was.We ARE HERE FOR OUR MEMBERS, well gee dont seem that way anymore. I find my self playing much less and dont miss it, so hope it gpes back 2 the way it was, and then maybe and thats a maybe ppl will come back.
just mo.

Well roy it is obvious you and I have not been in the same games. The games I haven been in had 13 & 15 people playing and IT does take that long most times to get down to the 5 pay spots and if you read some of the other post you will find the same. I bet the games you have been in have only had maybe 7 players registered. That does make quite a difference. Also when there are only 5 paid spots people tend to play a lot tighter making the game slower. Thank You.....

SNAFU......


GOOD POST BUNNIE I have been here since Aug 06 and also have seen things change and the 5 payout spot has never worked.

i wont leave my team in mid rounds, only play when i feel like it..be
leaving after rounds are over
some one was always giving tournies at least twice a week myself included
thats stopped. no one says anything on the tables like they use to.
seen old players starting to come back, they are gone again

whats the use in staying except couple of peep glad to see me go..no joke

i wont leave my team in mid rounds, only play when i feel like it..be
leaving after rounds are over
some one was always giving tournies at least twice a week myself included
thats stopped. no one says anything on the tables like they use to.
seen old players starting to come back, they are gone again

whats the use in staying except couple of peep glad to see me go..no joke

lovebug wrote:

i wont leave my team in mid rounds, only play when i feel like it..be
leaving after rounds are over
some one was always giving tournies at least twice a week myself included
thats stopped. no one says anything on the tables like they use to.
seen old players starting to come back, they are gone again

whats the use in staying except couple of peep glad to see me go..no joke

I, for one will not be happy to see you go love...when I first came here a couple of years back---it was you that first welcomed me on this site----tables in the early morning games were a lot fuller than now but so were all the other time zones....and although there were some that sat out in games it was no prob as the auto boot dealt with those players.  Even this time last year there were more playing than now.....Why?...well really all you need to do  is look and ask yourself the question what has changed in the last year .  It is glaringly obvious that the changes this site has endured have had a major effect on the number of players we currently have

Personally I can see both sides of the arguement---but I really don't understand why you would make changes mid round and neither do I understand why you wouldn't take a vote on these changes before implementing them.  Changing mid round is like playing a game and the rules change mid way through......this does not benefit anyone.  

Roy you are mistaken...that people will stay......seen all this before...been there done that......but stick your head in the sand if you want....but I guarantee you will be proven wrong.

SNAFU wrote:

Well roy it is obvious you and I have not been in the same games. The games I haven been in had 13 & 15 people playing and IT does take that long most times to get down to the 5 pay spots and if you read some of the other post you will find the same. I bet the games you have been in have only had maybe 7 players registered. That does make quite a difference. Also when there are only 5 paid spots people tend to play a lot tighter making the game slower. Thank You.....

SNAFU......


GOOD POST BUNNIE I have been here since Aug 06 and also have seen things change and the 5 payout spot has never worked.

yes we have been playing in different games.
just played in the mayhem game, 14 entries, finished in under 40 mins
freeroll that started at the same time 1(pm) 10 entries, 5th place was reached in 51 mins, game over in one hour.
just two examples.

roy0110 wrote:

SNAFU wrote:

Well roy it is obvious you and I have not been in the same games. The games I haven been in had 13 & 15 people playing and IT does take that long most times to get down to the 5 pay spots and if you read some of the other post you will find the same. I bet the games you have been in have only had maybe 7 players registered. That does make quite a difference. Also when there are only 5 paid spots people tend to play a lot tighter making the game slower. Thank You.....

SNAFU......


GOOD POST BUNNIE I have been here since Aug 06 and also have seen things change and the 5 payout spot has never worked.

yes we have been playing in different games.
just played in the mayhem game, 14 entries, finished in under 40 mins
freeroll that started at the same time 1(pm) 10 entries, 5th place was reached in 51 mins.
just two examples.

So what ......Roy I thought this thread was about payouts...or is it about how long a game takes...cos you can produce all the stats if you want......hell if you want a simple solution to how long a game takes ...just make the times between the changes in the blinds shorter and the games will of course be quicker --but that maybe too easy....point is Roy you are not listening to what people are saying here in this thread...from what I see the majority are saying don't change...or do you simply just want to ignore that fact

Again Sharron very well said..Why change the payouts mid round isn't fair..

Sharron123 wrote:

lovebug wrote:

i wont leave my team in mid rounds, only play when i feel like it..be
leaving after rounds are over
some one was always giving tournies at least twice a week myself included
thats stopped. no one says anything on the tables like they use to.
seen old players starting to come back, they are gone again

whats the use in staying except couple of peep glad to see me go..no joke

I, for one will not be happy to see you go love...when I first came here a couple of years back---it was you that first welcomed me on this site----tables in the early morning games were a lot fuller than now but so were all the other time zones....and although there were some that sat out in games it was no prob as the auto boot dealt with those players.  Even this time last year there were more playing than now.....Why?...well really all you need to do  is look and ask yourself the question what has changed in the last year .  It is glaringly obvious that the changes this site has endured have had a major effect on the number of players we currently have

Personally I can see both sides of the arguement---but I really don't understand why you would make changes mid round and neither do I understand why you wouldn't take a vote on these changes before implementing them.  Changing mid round is like playing a game and the rules change mid way through......this does not benefit anyone.  

Roy you are mistaken...that people will stay......seen all this before...been there done that......but stick your head in the sand if you want....but I guarantee you will be proven wrong.

sharron, found out someting gf, think i will stay only for a very special reason and that you have asked me to stay
.. cant let the reason out.

hugsss gf
wont play like i use to only to slo down a bit

It doesn't matter what time or how long the games went on..What the topic was is why change the payouts MID-ROUND...

To do this wasn't fair to all teams...